Introduce ROCK 5B - ARM Desktop level SBC

#776

Yeah the low density 40pin GPIO sort of seems legacy now that often isn’t RPI 100% compat so why.
Khadas dropped the 40pin on there edge2 which soon as I saw thought yeah been thinking that for a while, not sure if they could of gone for cheaper FPC connectors though…

With model A type boards I would say both and wondering what concessions, some would promote.
Dunno about the garbage from wafers as it would be unusual to offer less interfaces and retain same rated freqs, guess we will have to see how the https://www.khadas.com/edge2 does as more users test as sure they will.
Khadas often make some really nice boards but often seem to have a really nice premium.
So a lot of dunno as merely interested in what is possible cost wise with a rock5a and can not say until I see them become a thing.

I guess you do what Radxa are doing and release full fledged model-b’s and get a feel for community use and feedback.

#777

True but an interesting data point is idle temperature and here all those RK3588s thingies tend to be a lot hotter than RK3588. Especially 1st entry below is a Rock 5A without any cooling, the later entries were with ‘5v standalone fan connected to the GPIO header and a small heatsink over SoC’. Also first Edge 2 result is made with Khadas’ fansink (by @CNXSoft), no idea about the later submissions.

This would hint at the CPU cores in RK3588s being fed with way higher supply voltages compared to RK3588…

Device / details Clockspeed idle temp 7-zip memcpy memset
Radxa ROCK 5A 2400/2400 MHz +63.8 10620 7660 21300
Radxa ROCK 5A 2400/2400 MHz +48.1 15830 9100 27230
Radxa ROCK 5A 2400/2400 MHz +36.1 16030 10810 28150
Firefly ITX-3588J HDMI(Linux) no cpufreq support 8750 10190 15080
Firefly ITX-3588J HDMI(Linux) no cpufreq support 8760 10200 15080
Firefly ITX-3588J HDMI(Linux) no cpufreq support 8780 10020 15040
Firefly ITX-3588J HDMI(Linux) no cpufreq support +35.2 8780 10100 15080
Radxa ROCK 5A 2352/1800 MHz +36.1 4660 5790 20920
Radxa ROCK 5B 2400/1800 MHz +31.5 16450 10830 29220
Radxa ROCK 5B 2400/1800 MHz +30.5 16400 10860 28900
Radxa ROCK 5B 2400/1800 MHz +32.4 16480 10820 28870
Radxa ROCK 5B 2400/1800 MHz +41.6 15290 10890 28430
Radxa ROCK 5B 2400/1800 MHz +33.3 16350 10060 29350
Radxa ROCK 5B 2400/1800 MHz +44.4 16320 10090 29110
Radxa ROCK 5B 2400/1800 MHz +32.4 16530 10300 28970
Radxa ROCK 5B 2400/1800 MHz +30.5 16450 10140 29310
Radxa ROCK 5B 2400/1800 MHz +30.5 16440 10220 29170
Radxa ROCK 5B 2400/1800 MHz +31.5 16450 10370 27960
Radxa ROCK 5B 2304/1800 MHz +31.5 16290 10200 28610
Radxa ROCK 5B 2400/1800 MHz +30.5 16510 10050 29020
Radxa ROCK 5B 2256/1800 MHz +42.5 15900 9540 28380
Radxa ROCK 5B 2352/1800 MHz +38.8 16140 10000 27530
Radxa ROCK 5B 2304/1800 MHz +33.3 16160 9700 28700
Radxa ROCK 5B 2352/1800 MHz +35.2 16310 10470 27860
Radxa ROCK 5B 2352/1800 MHz +37.0 16280 10430 28020
Radxa ROCK 5B 2352/1800 MHz +35.2 16230 9600 27530
Radxa ROCK 5B 2304/1800 MHz +38.8 16250 10460 28500
Radxa ROCK 5B 2256/1800 MHz +49.0 16160 10460 28550
Radxa ROCK 5B 2352/1800 MHz +38.8 16390 10730 28590
Radxa ROCK 5B 2352/1800 MHz +37.0 16280 10740 28880
Radxa ROCK 5B 2352/1800 MHz +38.8 16080 9360 27480
Rockchip RK3588-EVB-KS-T1 LP4 V10 Board 2352/1800 MHz +49.9 4690 6150 21520
Firefly ROC-RK3588S-PC HDMI(Linux) 2352/1800 MHz +37.0 14610 11160 28870
Firefly ITX-3588J HDMI(Linux) 2256/1800 MHz +29.6 15950 8380 26030
Radxa ROCK 5B 2400/1800 MHz +30.5 14660 10230 29240
Radxa ROCK 5B 2400/1800 MHz +29.6 14660 10090 29010
Firefly ROC-RK3588S-PC HDMI(Linux) 2352/1800 MHz +42.5 14930 11040 28250
Radxa ROCK 5B 2400/1800 MHz +28.7 14670 10430 29130
Radxa ROCK 5B 2400/1800 MHz +41.6 16280 9850 28390
Firefly ROC-RK3588S-PC HDMI(Linux) 2256/1800 MHz +33.3 14330 10810 28220
Firefly ROC-RK3588S-PC HDMI(Linux) 2304/1800 MHz +35.2 14520 11500 29030
Firefly ROC-RK3588S-PC HDMI(Linux) 2352/1800 MHz +36.1 15370 10800 28020
Firefly ROC-RK3588S-PC HDMI(Linux) 2352/1800 MHz +38.8 14860 11580 28720
Firefly ROC-RK3588S-PC HDMI(Linux) 2352/1800 MHz +37.9 14790 10910 28700
Khadas Edge2 2304/1800 MHz +47.2 16470 10860 29110
Radxa ROCK 5B 2400/1800 MHz +43.5 16350 9840 29120
Radxa ROCK 5B 2400/1800 MHz +35.2 14680 10230 29130
Radxa ROCK 5B 2304/1800 MHz +45.3 13780 10120 28120
Firefly ROC-RK3588S-PC HDMI(Linux) 2352/1800 MHz +31.5 13540 9400 27140
Radxa ROCK 5B 2400/1800 MHz +37.9 14640 10170 28750
Radxa ROCK 5B 2400/1800 MHz +31.5 14620 10220 29150
Radxa ROCK 5B 2400/1800 MHz +25.9 14700 9700 29320
Radxa ROCK 5B 2400/1800 MHz +25.9 14710 10120 29170
Radxa ROCK 5B 2400/1800 MHz +46.2 14460 9990 28410
Radxa ROCK 5B 2400/1800 MHz +46.2 14560 10160 28430
Radxa ROCK 5B 2400/1800 MHz +32.4 14660 10110 29170
Radxa ROCK 5B 2400/1800 MHz +33.3 14640 10280 29210
Radxa ROCK 5B 2400/1800 MHz +39.8 16440 10770 29270
Radxa ROCK 5B 2400/1800 MHz +30.5 14520 10450 28650
Radxa ROCK 5B 2400/1800 MHz +44.4 14560 10020 28580
Radxa ROCK 5B 2400/1800 MHz +31.5 14520 10130 28600
Radxa ROCK 5B 2400/1800 MHz +28.7 14260 10190 28620
Radxa ROCK 5B 2304/1800 MHz +31.5 14570 9770 28640
Radxa ROCK 5B 2400/1800 MHz +32.4 14690 10110 28650
Radxa ROCK 5B 2304/1800 MHz +30.5 14610 10050 28790
Radxa ROCK 5B 2400/1800 MHz +29.6 16300 9550 29140
Radxa ROCK 5B 2400/1800 MHz +29.6 14960 10200 28820
Khadas Edge2 2304/1800 MHz +49.9 5660 9940 27680
Khadas Edge2 2304/1800 MHz +49.0 5960 9790 27520
Radxa ROCK 5B 2400/1800 MHz +25.9 16780 9680 29380
Radxa ROCK 5B 2400/1800 MHz +30.5 15090 10160 28770
Radxa ROCK 5B 2400/1800 MHz +28.7 14700 10250 28870
Radxa ROCK 5B 2400/1800 MHz +32.4 15400 11110 28760
Radxa ROCK 5B 2400/1800 MHz +25.0 16720 9710 29340
Radxa ROCK 5B 2400/1800 MHz +33.3 17350 9910 28750
Radxa ROCK 5B 2400/1800 MHz +25.0 16640 9710 28920
Radxa ROCK 5B 2400/1800 MHz +36.1 16750 9720 27740
Radxa ROCK 5B 2400/1800 MHz +59.2 13940 10960 28800
Radxa ROCK 5B 2400/1800 MHz +36.1 17520 10020 28640
Radxa ROCK 5B 2400/1800 MHz +44.4 14440 9690 27990
Radxa ROCK 5B 2400/1800 MHz +32.4 14660 10140 28770
Radxa ROCK 5B 2352/1800 MHz +36.1 14570 10210 28650
Radxa ROCK 5B 2304/1800 MHz +50.8 14250 10100 28890
Radxa ROCK 5B 2352/1800 MHz +37.9 14630 9690 29010
Radxa ROCK 5B 2352/1800 MHz +40.7 14610 9870 28500
Radxa ROCK 5B 2304/1800 MHz +41.6 14390 10080 28480
Khadas Edge2 2352/1800 MHz +49.0 4630 6320 21800
Radxa ROCK 5B 2304/1800 MHz +34.2 14880 9690 27070
Radxa ROCK 5B 2256/1800 MHz +44.4°C 14380 9870 28530
Radxa ROCK 5B 2400/1800 MHz +43.5 17560 11010 29570
Radxa ROCK 5B 2400/1800 MHz +38.8 16350 10390 29170
Radxa ROCK 5B 2400/1800 MHz +25.9 17550 10250 29180
Radxa ROCK 5B 2304/1800 MHz +25.0 14630 10180 29110
Radxa ROCK 5B 2400/1800 MHz +24.1 14870 10220 29220
Khadas Edge2 2352/1800 MHz +39.8°C 4680 5710 21910
Radxa ROCK 5B 2400/1800 MHz +26.8 17710 10220 29030
Radxa ROCK 5B 2400/1800 MHz +45.3 16390 9700 27700
#778

Or is it a smaller die, dunno …
Not much evidence of it being the lower cost of the two though :slight_smile:

PS quite a bit after a google

“RK3588 is 23x23mm, and the package size of RK3588S is 17x17mm”

#779

No need to use Google, just rely on @CNXSoft. This is public information thanks to him and setting the size of a BGA chip in metal can package in relation to a CSP package is most probably misleading. RK3588 even with same ball pitch needs to have a larger PCB area for the additional I/O pins alone.

And just a reminder (again): https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/19/roc-rk3588s-pc-first-rockchip-rk3588s-sbc-32gb-ram/#comment-591822

#780

will there be an uefi to boot normaly with grub and or most linux distros

#781

I tested this eMMC rom pine64 on rock3A, it worked and it was slightly faster than any other eMMC I have :slight_smile:

#782

Totally agree :slight_smile:
Because of difficult availability of laptops and computers (with big nvme drives) some companies are buying what they can get and then replacing disks to something better. Thanks to that 256GB nvme are cheaper than good quality SD card and much more than eMMC.
Of course if You already have some eMMC still it’s worth to add it but it won’t be faster or bigger than m.2 :slight_smile:

RaspiKey is not that wonderful solution. It’s not compatible with every reader and device, still uses UHS-1 so won’t be better than good SD card. It’s big and expensive sd card, I think it’s just better to get any “high endurance” sd card than this. My raspikeys are not working on any pcie reader so I don’t use then at all.

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#783

Quick reminder that bios/uefi is actually separated system, if you need it - you are going for wrong sbc. You need something like Huawei Taishan.

#784

@hannes-campidell

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#785

Just a matter of time until Jared or any of the other BSD heroes ports it over to RK3588…

Update: the alternative would be Radxa picking up Rockchip’s own EDK2 port.

#786

For what its worth on the schedule: Mine was a early Jan reserve, just got my order notice today and got the order completed within about 5 minutes. Noticed no heat sink with fan still, so opted for just a heat sink. Will worry about a fan on my own when it arrives.

#787

bought coupon Jan 11, just got an email and ordered my 16GB Version
I also ordered the Acrylic Protector which you can choose to be Active Cooling and it seems to include a fan and heatsink. We will see.

rock5activecooling

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#788

i didnt notice that the fan was part of the protector. I had planned on shoving it into an extruded aluminium housing so didnt even look.

#789

i have preorderd it at june 1st from ameridroid and i am curius when it will start shipping

#790

All our ROCK5 units are shipping from the factory. They tell us they plan to have shipped all units by the end of October.

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#791

I decided to throw in the towel on waiting for this Rock 5B device; a combination of missed deadlines plus the unexistent support from @allnetchina on both their website chat and e-mail support channels left a sour taste in my mouth.

Cheers to PayPal buyer protection for refunding my deposit. Good luck.

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#792

Really? I was hoping I bought another coupon, but I didn’t, sigh…
I sent email by replying to the coupon email I got back in Jan, two times, and both were replied, though they just asked me to wait. Then last Sunday I got the order email, completed order, and have received my 16GB board already…

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#793

cool if all units will ship in october

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#795

why did you delete this post?
just curius

#796

I just realised it was on the allnet site, i should of looked first before asking :slight_smile: