No, I don’t want to take part in your manipulation.
I am a man and you won’t take it from me.
What do we want in the next Rock Pi?
Then why don’t you document what is not working in it and help the Armbian team to fix it?
It is an open source project and no developer is paid to do that, if you need everything to work then never buy an open source hardware coz it is not for users like you who want everything to work without contributing anything and just talking bad about the project.
I have used Armbian for testing and I think it is the only OS to support so many boards with almost all the IO working, and if something is missed then it is not the OS team to be blamed instead the board manufacturer are the one who should provide linux mainline support so OS team can use it.
If you cannot talk good about a distro then do not say bad about it or just use a proprietary OS where you pay the license and never get support from them and follow what they do with your device.
It is a waste of time to even reply to you but @igorp tried his best to answer you.
No SBC will ever be perfect especially Arm based ones so please don’t buy any SBC in future, only buy a Mac or Windows device as that’s what you’re looking for.
Good luck.
Answer to your question is very simple: because Armbian guys don’t want to help them to fix and maintain Armbian. Lack of documentation and ignorance about bugs is what will kill this OS shortly.
That’s why I am against advertising a toy.
OS development is - in term of costs - 99.8% community independent.
We are running far over the limits. We can’t help you. But we can develop the project if you invest your own cash. Ours is gone.
No i don’t agree with you, if you have he right attitude towards the project then they will be happy to accept your contribute, anyways good luck to you with whatever ur looking for.
Cheers.
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btw, since we already flood here so much, @igorp, is it common bug that in Armbian with 4.4 there is no screen output via HDMI for Rock Pi 4C (yes i downloaded right image for 4C, not 4B) and with latest Kernel 5.X - after a few hours working via Wi-Fi, wifi shuts down with -110 error in dmesg?
P.S. On personal note my experience with Armbian was nice shift between user-friendly Rasbian For Noobs and Ubuntu Server with building everything myself
P.S.S. For next Rock i really would like to have more PCI-E since with more PCI-e i can connect what i need, without being tied to existing interfaces
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Another problem of misunderstand of your support contract? https://github.com/armbian/build#support
Its valid for most GPL2 open source project. Project is open - hire someone (if you can). Why would I pay to fix your problems? You pay nothing for R&D. You pay nothing for support. You are not our customer and you don’t help in any way. Your wishes are totally unreal.
Raspbian - even totally limited OS - has certainly yearly budget over 1mio EUR. Ours is few thousands.
Armbian is a build system that supports (limited!) many different hardware which was never targeted to the same group of people as Noobs which is there that more people can buy Rpi products. Why would we care if more hw is sold? More people to deal with and teach on our expense?
Which is a reason number one why we don’t deal with Rpi and perhaps we should remove more boards that are alike. We gain nothing to display them there since you expect 100% functioning and are willing to pay or give nothing for. I can’t afford to deal with such.
Fixing bug is extremely limited donation from our private pocket which you have no base to push on. You can try, but this will only build frustration.
Oh come on, don’t be so passive aggressive, I’m not asking to fix it, just wanted to know is it common problem or no 
I didn’t asked about budgets? 
I have no problems with Armbian itself.
Nor i have any problem with bugs, every system have them. Also, i do not compare Raspbian with Armbian, since, as you mentioned, Raspbian have Broadcom support. What i meant is that Armbian is good alternative to stock OS from board’s devs in case they abandon it, like it is with all Firefly’s boards AND is good stepping stone between too user-friendly Raspbian and not-so-much-user-friendly developers’ OS modification
WIFI that is functional and not a nightmare to try and install
it would help to have 8Gb RAM.
I also seem to have problems with overheating and Lock up of the Debian system. Some alteration to the cooling system would be great. Perhaps 2 x fans under base of blowing on to the heat sink fins.
Given that RK3568 and RK3588 were announced, any chance that we will see a new wave of Rock Pi with these new SoCs really soon?
Thinking about it again, I think the size of RK3588 model could actually go a bit bigger, given that the SoCs are expected to be much bigger than RPi’s BCM2835, just like the RK3399. I am thinking perhaps in the size of ~2.5" HDD is good? Hopefully it could support a 2280 only and 2242 only slot on the board directly (only = less mounting hole for PCB trace routing) And assuming that it is powered via USB-C, it would be good if the board could support USB-C DP Alt mode, such that it can be plugged into a computer monitor directly like a laptop.
I measured my Pi4 equipped with the armour case and its size is a tad smaller than a 2.5" HDD, while the thickness is close to a 3.5" HDD (>15mm). I think it is possible to make two types of “armour case like” enclosure? (those armour cases are really good for my Pi4) one that match the size of PCB with 2.5" HDD mounting holes, and one that match 3.5" HDD dimensions with mounting holes as well while supporting extra things like a twisted flat cable and extra PCB to mount 22110 SSD or alike, that it can fit into a 3.5" HDD drive bay easily (that would be for “fun” with PC integration)
Too bad that I think the Rockchip SoCs do not support PCIe end point (device) mode, or it would be even more interesting that it may even act as PC or server accelerator boards (say for machine learning)
for RK3568 based Rock Pi, I think the same sized ~2.5" HDD PCB would help? but hopefully it will be similar to the E model with support for onboard 1xGbE and 1x2.5GbE over PCIe (RTL8125 is good enough) for network applications with a 2242 slot available for WiFi module just as mentioned before (user upgradable WiFi is always good: maybe they want 802.11ad or 802.11ay, who knows)
Hiya, first post, here (second will likely be covering the same ground as a single post 
) … if love to have Radxa make the first board of this form factor with a dedicated, single, SATA port, with power output for one 3.5 sized HDD, as maybe an option instead of the m.2.
I believe that there are plenty of folks out there that can’t afford to buy new (or more) m.2 drives of increasing size, plus, they worry about SD card/emmc wear & tear. Such users would just like to simply plug in the one drive that they have sitting around to run their home server from.
Wishing all the best for future Radxa products, whatever way they decide to go!
@eliotcole with pcie x4 m.2 slot, you can use a 4x-5x or even 8x SATA controller, and hook up according number of drives. If you only need one drive, just use the cheapest 2-port SATA controller to save costs; putting a single SATA port instead of m.2 pcie on the board itself will ruin it.
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I’d really love to see PCIe bifurcation support in the next flagship Rock Pi board, to use boards like this. Very sad RK3399 doesn’t support it, would buy this card for Rock Pi 4 otherwise.
I want a miniPCIe version (see here Rock MiniPCIe X). It’s a bit offtopic because it’s not a Pi at all.
If I understand correctly, it can (combined with my idea) give a cluster of Rock miniPCIe X attached to a Rock Pi 
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I remember I’ve tried to answer the next post. Maybe this time…
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@NickDoom yes, it would. However, just using ethernet to bridge SBCs in the cluster is much easier from technical standpoint.