But for Android, the video card works as it should.
A rather strange way to promote a technically difficult product. Without drivers, hardware is useless. And small companies do not pull such a development.
We will wait! What else is left to do? 
3588 seems to me an interesting chip.
You can often hack in the blobs to a linux image but then specific applications often are needed to work with blobs and applications expecting statndard system drivers will not.
Likely there will be an intermediary image that will contain something like that but for users can be very problematic if they are expecting a 100% seemless ecosphere.
When the kernel & firmware are out of mainline scope its never as a smooth ride, but likely there will be images that are not that may or may not be free or offer support.
I have a hunch the RK3588 will be faster than what took the RK3399 as from memory and if somone will correct me it took well over a year before things neared something resembling what you maybe expecting on Linux.
Android and blobs its prob not all that far off already.
PS looking around the Radxa github there is a thing in the wings called a Radxa Zero 2 with a Mali G52 that will likely be a lower cost, tiny format Khadas Vim3 like device that will likely have a much better head start as https://docs.mesa3d.org/drivers/panfrost.html are what is really needed and the G52 already is.
Any chance to get an .STEP-file of the rock pi 5b ?
I am sorry but the idea of growing to a board 4x the area so it can fit cases for me is some strange chicken & egg lo
I shouldāve clarified that Iām not talking about taking the Rock 5 as is and padding the board with empty space until itās mini-ITX size. What I mean is that RK3588 has enough computing power and IO that it could easily be a the heart of a mini-ITX board with the full complement of ports and slots. That includes PCIe, SATA ports, etc. Maybe even DIMM or SO-DIMM slots for RAM.
And sure, maybe it will become easier in the future to integrate a pico-ITX board into a server rack. But right now itās a pain in the ass. So much in fact that Iām willing to bet that good money is to be made by the first company that releases a Rock5-like board in mini-ITX form factor.
The I/O is muxed some with pins but its not all available at the same runtime but looks like Radxa have made a good pick.
Maybe they might make a mini-itx board but I doubt it.
Only thing I donāt like are the on board switches and hopefully they will change those for plain old jumpers like on any normal mobo.
Apart from that that pico-itx board is extremely sweet and hopely in the shop they might add some panel mount extensions as all that i/o on a single plane would be extremely flexible and accessible.
Radxa is going to produce a CM5 based on RK3588S, but Iād also raise the concern that it wonāt serve the purpose good. I think Radxa is considering CM5 to be āpin compatibleā with Piās CM4, and for that RK3588S would be more than sufficient, while that means we will miss the possibility of a real ācompute moduleā that would allow one to use all the available I/O as on RK3588. if there would be a āfullā compute module that allow one to use all I/O from RK3588, that would make it possible to make carry boards like mini-ITX, or āindustrialā ones like PCIe/104, 3.5" or 5.25" SBC etc.
I am hoping they also just do a cut down cheaper board with the RK3588s as the cpu/gpu combination imo it is the 1st time we will see a real entry level desktop arm SBC.
I know the Pi4 / rk3399 fan club will not like that comment but its just me and for me they are under powered for even what I would say is entry level, even if great prices.
I do really like the look of that pico-itx format they have done and the Rock5B still is a great price point for sections of society and parts of the world who struggle with the cost of these things.
Hence why I think it would also be great if they could keep that great core of gpu/cpu for lesser budget of whatever format.
Cost should be a big consideration as likely they could be a great board for many.
This board would definitely be a winner if it could get the kind of support like what Raspberry Pi 4 got, software wise.
Radxa is not the same as Raspberry, Raspberry create closed source hardware and provide support for thier hardware via selecting some opensource software channels.
Radxa hardware is opensource and as so can be adopted in any form someone wishes.
It can not get support like raspberry does because it doesnāt go through a closed source release cycle.
It will get support through various communities but being opensource hardware users and sales are actually part of the release cycle and that is fundementally different to the Raspberry approach.
Opensource hardware can bring technology quicker to market and can often be near BoM prices as much as it can be frustrating for users who are expecting a closed source hardware release.
How much support a board gets is all about the impetus and popularity around it and the communities it forms.
It could garner Raspberry like software support equally as it may fail as gauging impetus and popularity is very like guaging the length of a ball of string.
Its definately a very interesting board that takes what we have had as a SBC to a whole new level, but how adoption and popularity goes, who knows?
Dear Radxa team,
As Curtman said, Iām interested too if there will be such an edition of Rockpi 5 which has USB OTG port just like Rockpi 4 has. It was an absolute selling point for me because Iām using it for such projects where OTG (both host and device/peripheral mode) is a must thing to have.
Only your board has USB3 OTG on the market and thatās a huge advantage over your competitors.
If rockpi 5 had at least an USB 3 OTG (or preferably USB 3.1/3.2 OTG), I would order the board immediately becase the rest of the specifications are pretty impressive.
Best regards,
rockpi fan
Think its down to the SoC not Radxa have a look through :-
1.2.13 Connectivity
ļ¬ SDIO interface
ļ® Compatible with SDIO3.0 protocol
ļ® 4-bit data bus widths
ļ¬ GMAC 10/100/1000M Ethernet controller
ļ® Support two Ethernet controllers
ļ® Support 10/100/1000-Mbps data transfer rates with the RGMII interfaces
ļ® Support 10/100-Mbps data transfer rates with the RMII interfaces
ļ® Support both full-duplex and half-duplex operation
ļ¬ USB 3.1
ļ® Embedded 2 USB Gen1 interfaces which combo with DP TX
ļ® Embedded 1 USB Gen1 interface which combo with Combo PIPE PHY2
ļ® Compatible Specification
ļµ Universal Serial Bus 3.0 Specification, Revision 1.0
ļµ Universal Serial Bus Specification, Revision 2.0
ļµ Extensible Host Controller Interface for Universal Serial Bus (xHCI), Revision
RK3588 Datasheet Rev 0.1
Copyright 2021 Ā©Rockchip Electronics Co., Ltd. 15
1.1
ļ® Support 5Gbps Serializer/Deserializer for USB
ļ® Support USB Type-C and DP Alt mode for the 2 USB Gen1 which combo with DP TX
ļ¬ USB 2.0 OTG
ļ® Compatible Specification
ļµ Universal Serial Bus Specification, Revision 2.0
ļµ Extensible Host Controller Interface for Universal Serial Bus (xHCI), Revision
1.1
ļ® Support two USB 2.0 OTG
ļ® Supports high-speed(480Mbps), full-speed(12Mbps) and low-speed(1.5Mbps) mode
ļ® Support Control/Bulk/Interrupt/Isochronous Transfer
ļ® USB 2.0 OTG cannot use with USB 3.1 at the same time
ļ¬ USB 2.0 Host
ļ® Compatible with USB 2.0 specification
ļ® Support two USB 2.0 Host
ļ® Supports high-speed(480Mbps), full-speed(12Mbps) and low-speed(1.5Mbps) mode
ļ® Support Enhanced Host Controller Interface Specification (EHCI), Revision 1.0
ļ® Support Open Host Controller Interface Specification (OHCI), Revision 1.0a
Thank you for the info! This is a big disappointment. 
Newer chip with less things supported, omgā¦ What does rockchip do?
Its focus is sub premium tablet / settop box / desktop so prob they thought its not a dongle type device maybe.
That is how I see it very strong gpu host, there is a Radxa Zero 2 lurking hidden in the github that will be a tiny format board and dunno what OTG is on that.
Think that is the same.
RK3399 (which is in Rockpi 4) and RK3568 (which is in Rockpi 3A) supports usb3 OTG currently in Radxa SBCs. Rockpi 3A is good because it supports 8 GB ram, but unfortunately the pci express slot is still gen 3 with 1 channel. While Rockpi 5 has pci-e gen 3 with 4 channels and up to 16 GB ram. Ideally i would need the mixture of rockpi 3A and 5. 
pci-e gen 3 4x,16 GB ram and USB3 (or above) OTG would be the dream SBC.
Yeah dunno why but the RK3568 got a sort of client desktop focus which from the specs its obviously not.
RK3588 I think Radxa have got right for what many would envisage its endgoal.
RK3568 I think the formats they got a bit wrong but hey.
If you look at the mux of the rk3568 then it should be PCIe 3.0 x2 which is sort of perfect for that level of SoC.
You could prob have PCIe x4 but the SoC would likely be the bottleneck I did think it was x2 but forgot as the formats they did release I sort of switched off.
If it did have USB 3.0 OTG and it was muxed with the network then with a 5 port m.2 pcie30 x2 sata card it would of been amazing for OMV/TrueNAS but also it can not mount direct a full length m.2 direct.
I think Rockchip got the RK3568 almost right but somewhere along the lines things seem to of got confused but for me RK3588 & RK3588s have good end goals and look like there has been no confusion.
I think they thought the Mali-G52 1-Core-2EE was a full version not the stripped down one of the 2EE āG52Lā, L is for Little
Hm, thatās sounds like a good begining for 3588
ā¦and Khadas jumping to VIM4, with A311 upgraded to A311D2. Good if yet compatible with bifrost gpu drivers. 8 core, 8gb, AV1 hw decoding! NPU not disclosed yet.
I dunno which is better a 4 core G610 or 8 core G52, think it might still be the G610, NPU is not disclosed as it needs licensing or somethingā¦ ?
Never owned a Khadas as prob near closed source hardware pricing, so can not tell you if there is an improvement there.
Also only has a single PCIe lane and think that will be used for USB3.
Sort of still in the same boat as donāt think it has been released yet, but if it floats your boat then yeah.
I donāt think the GPU drivers with the G610 will be much of an issue or wait with how good Collabora are now, but the whole SoC is new without any entries upstream as far as I know (rk3588).
A311D2 is just incremental apart from the strange thing with the npu, but mentioned the ZeroR2 as have a hunch it will be a much cheaper stop gap as A311D2 is a slightly faster Pi4 with a very good GPU, but not that interesting to me.
Hi,
I want to pre order Rock Pi 5 B.
Im newbie here. I want to know more likeā¦
Thanks in Advance
If you want a fully working all bells and whistles Debian system at release time then answer is probably no.
How long after that no one can really tell.
Powerful desktop is all comparative as it will be powerful to what raspberry call a desktop as in a Pi4, but compared to my I7-7700 that I am replying on then prob no its not what you would call powerfull.
Should be quite a good entry level desktop experience that is powerful enough for many, sort of decent level chromebook/netbook or upper mid level tablet.