Introduce the Radxa Zero

[stuartiannaylor]

I did some general benchmarks of phoronix tests against raspberry pi, it was closer to a Pi4 than I expected.

Benchmarks Radxa Zero vs

Not going to bother with the Pi0 also desktop running and should really be a lite version but hey Vs Pi3’s https://openbenchmarking.org/result/2108074-IB-1803226FO07 Vs Pi3, Pi4, Tinker, Libre Board ALL-H3-CC H5, Firefly ROC-RK3328-CC x264 didn’t run due to size with eMMC left https://openbenchmarking.org/result/2108077-IB-1907127HV14 If anyone wants to provide a dtb with the opp table @2ghz think it could be likely as I have a small 13mm heatsink on and never seems to go over 45’C I had …

1st 2 I did on Twister and did not notice frequitils was installed and maxing cpu to 1.5Ghz

The later tests run at 1.8 and a OC of 2.0Ghz

I guess we could set it in dongle mode and create a ram drive and copy over a file to test the USB3.0 I have a hunch because it was primarily a set top box dongle in a range of set top boxes that it will be somewhere near full USB3.0 bandwidth.
The usb3.0 is the OTG & power though and the one you might use is usb2.0. Prob so you get the 900ma but means the spare ports has less bandwidth ( 1920x1080 images at 24fps max)

[myusrn]

RockPi4B+

Thanks for details on the alternative better performing sbc option for twisterOS [ or lineage android ] desktop use case.

So are we talking about what is reviewed in this youtu.be/KBOpFEo4lbM jun 17, 2021 video that references this amazon.com/dp/B095LGKP5J link as a place to buy it?

It appears to only sell with 4GB ram should one hold out for a 8GB ram sku?

Is the expectation that you purchase it along with a m.2 2230 or 2242 nvme device to get the fastest boot and storage solution?

[jtremblant]

RK3399 only supports 4Gb of RAM Maximum. Only 2280 NVMe is supported on 4B+.

[myusrn]

RK3399 only supports 4Gb of RAM Maximum. Only 2280 NVMe is supported on 4B+.

Thanks for clarifications. Interesting that 2280 is required, i would have thought so long as the storage device was m.2 nvme 22mm wide interface the 30, 42 or 80mm length of the card makes no difference.

Is 4GB of ram going to be all you really need for twister os desktop browser mostly use case vs the 8GB suggested by skus available with rp4 offering?

Reading https://rockpi.org/rockpi4 page it says this device gets a geekbench 5 single core of 1347 and multicore of 3024. Is that for real with standard issue device setup or am i overlooking something? I ask because my lenovo laptops with Intel Core i7-8650U 2.1GHz and Intel Core i5-8365U 1.9GHz don’t get those numbers.

[jtremblant]

4Gb of RAM is enough to run TwisterOS Armbian. If you need 8Gb of RAM on an ARM SBC, you should look for Rock 3A, Rock3B or upcoming RockPi5(RK3588). it will take a few more months to have TwisterOS ready for RK3566/RK3568.

[myusrn]

Thanks for the input on the 4GB ram and details of higher memory alternatives and upcoming releases. Wondering if we’ll see one of these upcoming sbc offerings deliver a thunderbolt 4 port so you can single cable power device and connect display and usb hub in display. In terms of what is currently available is the rock pi 4b+ a newer / better offering than the rock pi 4c?

[stuartiannaylor]

I think Intel/Apple are keeping Thunderbolt to themselves even AMD systems don’t have thunderbolt so unlikely to see it on a non Apple Arm device.
I think that is right as you see thunderbolt on Intel Nucs but not on the AMD ones and think is all due to licencing.
Its confusing but if it will be USB4, what it can do and if its capable.

[Austin_Setiawan]

什么时候国内开始卖的？有没有可能支持Windows10？

[henry_d_case]

Two questions:

1. When will it be available to the public? myusrn asked this a little while ago but I don’t think they got an answer.
2. I am a big fan of using g_ether and OTG capability to ssh into SBCs and share internet to them that way. There’s great guides of doing this with the RPI 0, RPI 4, and on numerous Armbian platforms but has anyone managed it with the Radxa Zero? What worries me more than anything is it’s power consumption which might preclude it from being powered via a single USB C port at all (though I could always use something like a PiSugar2 in that case since I believe the Radxa’s GPIO pinout is equivalent to the Pi’s and simply use the USB for the ethernet gadget functionality).

[jack]

No Windows 10 support as far as I know.

[stuartiannaylor]

Haven’t tried the kernel g_ether OTG yet but presume it works as by pressing usb boot when applying power from a usb3.0 port you can access the device.

As in

Introduce the Radxa Zero

There is this documentation https://github.com/radxa/documentation/tree/master/rs102 that really should go on the wiki. Its fairly easy really and you don’t need a serial console but does give you some feed back that the Zero is booting in USB mode. Its pretty easy as ‘lsusb’ will not find it on the host computer so as said not essential. So you can jump all the serial console and just sudo pip3 install pyamlboot sudo apt-get install fastboot You prob need a linux machine and ‘sudo apt-get …

USB 3.0 is 4.5 watt (5v * 0.9 amp) the TDP is 5watt so its close but that is a max

[spikerguy]

Hello Zero users from Manjaro,

Manjaro Image coming soon for USB boot.

KDE-Plasma

Tested so far
Working:
USB Boot
HDMI Output
HDMI Audio.
GPU using Panfrost.

Not working:
SD Boot using Android on eMMC.
Wifi/Bluetooth. (Patch is available will be added soon)

[jtremblant]

TwisterOS Beta4 for Radxa Zero:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1aqB7A_EuLGvL7pR8LhP6RatikxvJyy6i/view?usp=sharing

Change log for Beta4:

• bumped to armbian focal 21.08.0 trunk (same version as official from radxa)
• switch from testing dtb (rock pi w2) to official dtb radxa zero,armbian see the board now as radxa zero
• you can install now upcoming patches via apt

[stuartiannaylor]

Hi,

I noticed you have 2.0Ghz there but standard DTB is 1.8 with cpufrequtils default to 1.5
Did I hit the silicon lottery or did you find it not stable?

Also still playing with emuelec but the panfrost drivers seem faster as if you watch the ETA Prime he uses ‘crazy taxi 2’ as an example a game struggling with FPS whilst its mainly 60+ with a few dips below on twister os with the oibas ppa panfrost drivers.

[haimu]

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[spikerguy]

Wifi doesn’t seem to work with the ap6256 firmware with radxa,zero in its name along with ap6256-wifi-on-amlogic patch from armbian.

[stuartiannaylor]

The ap6256 drivers do work its the ap6236 drivers of the 512mb/1gb that we are short of working drivers.
They do in TwisterOS anyway and thought that was common of Armbian.

[jtremblant]

We got a nice case/protector for Radxa Zero:

Acrylic Protector for RADXA Zero

[Jason_Madi]

Hi!
Where can we buy it in Belgium or in EU ?

[m_ueberall]

We got a nice case/protector for Radxa Zero:

Certainly a good start, but I really hope we get to see a case which actually protects the Radxa Zero from dust, comes with a heatsink, and also covers the GPIO pins when unused like the Flirc Raspberry Pi Zero Case in the near future so that we can order both the SBC and its case at the same time. Given that the Radxa Zero is much more performant but also less cheap than the Raspberry Pi Zero, investing a couple of bucks more for one (or a few of them) shouldn’t be out of proportion…